Now, the students will explain which historian makes a better case. In a well written paragraph, the students will respond to this prompt:
- Contrast Bernard Bailyn and Howard Zinn's ideas about the Declaration of Independence
- Explain the main ideas of Bailyn and Zinn. Use short quotes from each historian to support your writing
- Find one example from the text of the Declaration that supports Bailyn, and 1 that supports Zinn. Use short quotes from the text, and explain how each supports the historian
- In a short conclusion, explain which historian is correct, and why
95 comments:
Zinn's ideas compared to Bailyn's are much different because he thinks that the higher class manipulated the lower class.
We believe that Zinn is wrong. Wrong because he is being selfish of not wanting the lower class to turn on higher class and manipulating the lower class
P1. Kayla O. & Anai O.
P.1 Daisy M. & Aimee M.
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Zinn's ideas compared to Bailyn's are different from each other because Zinn is trying to minipulate the lower class and Bailyn is just stating his beliefs. One example is "It seemed clear to educated, upper-class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause.A second example is "...to fill people with anger against the British, vague enough to avoid class conflict..." A third example is "...was well suited to unite large numbers of colonist and persuade even those who had grievances against one another to turn against England." These examples support Zinn because he would do anything to persuade those have not much to lose. All these examples of the Declaration of Independence show how Zinn wanted the lower class to join his anger against the British.
p1
Laisha G.
Yamilet G.
We think Howard Zinn's ideas were different from Bailyn's because Zinn wanted people to go against the king and Bailyn thought that god was going to give them power.Zinn wanted to make the people go against the king because the king cut the trades with all parts of the world and they were losing money. A second reason was that they were depriving them in many cases of the benefits of trial by jury.The last reason was that the king was starting fights against the people and forced them to live near merciless Indian savages.
P1 Maria S. & Patricia S.
After reading two excerpts from two different authors, Bernard Bailyn and Howard Zinn. We have come to the idea that they both have different interpretations of the Declaration of Independence. Bailyn mentions that England is trying to enslave the colonists and that America has the potential to do well and be a role model to other countries without the British Rule. On the other hand, Howard Zinn interprets the Declaration of Independence as selfish because he believed that the aristocratic colonists were trying to manipulate the poor into holding anger and grudges against their mother country, England. One quote that supports Zinn is "...upper-class colonists believed that something needed to be done to persuade the lower-class to direct their anger against England." Another quote that supports Zinn's argument is "...vague enough to avoid class conflict." The final example that supports Zinn's beliefs are that "...the Declaration of Independence was about popular control over government." Neither arguments are either valid or invalid because it is not how it is written, it is how people interprets opinions. The comparison between Zinn and Bailyn is that Zinn believes that the Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence for selfish purposes while Bailyn believes that Declaration of Independence was written for ideological reasons.
As you can see, these authors and people have very different perspectives towards this document. In our point of view, Zinn is neither right or wrong because his opinion is to himself not everyone can agree.
P1 Maria S. & Patricia S.
After reading two excerpts from two different authors, Bernard Bailyn and Howard Zinn. We have come to the idea that they both have different interpretations of the Declaration of Independence. Bailyn mentions that England is trying to enslave the colonists and that America has the potential to do well and be a role model to other countries without the British Rule. On the other hand, Howard Zinn interprets the Declaration of Independence as selfish because he believed that the aristocratic colonists were trying to manipulate the poor into holding anger and grudges against their mother country, England. One quote that supports Zinn is "...upper-class colonists believed that something needed to be done to persuade the lower-class to direct their anger against England." Another quote that supports Zinn's argument is "...vague enough to avoid class conflict." The final example that supports Zinn's beliefs are that "...the Declaration of Independence was about popular control over government." Neither arguments are either valid or invalid because it is not how it is written, it is how people interprets opinions. The comparison between Zinn and Bailyn is that Zinn believes that the Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence for selfish purposes while Bailyn believes that Declaration of Independence was written for ideological reasons.
As you can see, these authors and people have very different perspectives towards this document. In our point of view, Zinn is neither right or wrong because his opinion is to himself not everyone can agree.
p1
Laisha G.
Yamilet G.
We think Howard Zinn's ideas were different from Bailyn's because Zinn wanted people to go against the king and Bailyn thought that god was going to give them power.Zinn wanted to make the people go against the king because the king cut the trades with all parts of the world and they were losing money. A second reason was that they were depriving them in many cases of the benefits of trial by jury.The last reason was that the king was starting fights against the people and forced them to live near merciless Indian savages.
Period 1: Destinee and Nayeli
In Zinn's interpretation, he stated that he wrote the declaration of independence because the upper-class persuaded the lower-class to join the revolutionary cause, to direct their anger against England. In Bernard Bailyn's claim, he stated that he wrote declaration of independence because they thought England was going to take their liberty and they wanted to protect their civil rights.
Period 1 Julissa B. & Raymond B.
Howard Zinn's ideas are different from Bernard Bailyn's ideas because Zinn thinks that the upper-class colonists wanted to manipulate the lower-class colonists so that they wouldn't fight with the upper-class men;the lower-class men would be mad at England. He thought the upper-class colonists were selfish.Bailyn thinks that the colonists would be enslaved by England and America's destiny to become a good country.Zinn is wrong because we think all of the colonists would be affected when the King refused to pass, and forbid his governors to pass, important and necessary laws.(1&2)He has sent troops to to harass colonists and eat their food.(10)He waged war against all of the colonists by plundering their seas,ravaged the coasts,burned towns,and destroyed colonists' lives.(23&24)We think that Zinn is wrong because the actions that King George did angered all of the colonists and not just the rich people.
p1 austin I.& erica h.
Bailyns ideas on why the founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence was more thinking on the colonists when he stased that the england was trying to inslave them. aslo that they thought america was destined to play a special role in history. while zinns idea was that the upper class tried to minnipulate the lower class to try and turn the lower class against england. for freedom and class conflict since the lower class out numbers the upper class and they have more to lose than the lower class. he is wrong becuase he tricked the lower class into going against england,becuase the upper class had alot to lose thats why they put the lower class aginast england.1so in clonclusion the founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence so they could prevent war against england and to put america to as a country as independence.
Period 1, Aaron D.
In Zinn's interpretation of The Declaration Of Independence he pretty much explained that the Founding Fathers wrote the DOI for selfish reasons while Bailyn did it for ideological reasons. Zinn explained that they did it because the upper class didn't want the lower class to be angry at them but instead to be angry at England. Bailyn wrote that the Founding Fathers wrote it because they believed England would take their liberty away from them, and that America can become a strong and mighty empire. I believe ZInn is wrong because I found more Grievances that affect all colonists. "He has refused to pass, and forbidden his governors to pass, important and necessary laws." this shows this against Zinn because if they cannot pass necessary laws many people can get hurt, or in trouble."He has sent swarms of British officers to harass our people and eat our food." This hurts all colonists because what if many colonists don't have food Upperclass people don't have to worry about running out of food. This is why i believe Zinn is incorrect and the Founding Fathers were ideological.
p1 Shirley Z Aaron F Bailyn thought that our founding fathers made the declaration of independence for a ideological reason. He thought that the fathers were helping everyone by becoming an independent state. Zinn thought that our founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence for a selfish reason. A example that shows that Zinn is correct is that the founding fathers didn't want a class conflict because that had much to loose so they spoke the same language as them to get them on there side and helped them fight against the Great Britain."avoid class conflict" In my opinion the Bailyn has the point. This would be because even if the founding founders did have to do some rash stuff to become independent they still had ideological ending.
P1; AMBER D. JOVANA D.
Bailyn and Zinn had a totally different take on why the declaration of independence was written. Bailyn trout that they wrote the DOI because all colonists feared England would take the rest of their rights so they wanted to create a great american empire. he even wore, "England was trying to enslave them." But Zinn thought that they wrote the DOI because it would benefit the rich more.He thought that the higher class was trying to blame everything on the king so the lower class would agree. He wrote " they were trying to avoid class conflict." They both thought that the problem was England.But, Bailyn is correct because the DOI has things that benefit all people and only a couple tha had only benefit the rich.
P1; AMBER D. JOVANA D.
Bailyn and Zinn had a totally different take on why the declaration of independence was written. Bailyn trout that they wrote the DOI because all colonists feared England would take the rest of their rights so they wanted to create a great american empire. he even wore, "England was trying to enslave them." But Zinn thought that they wrote the DOI because it would benefit the rich more.He thought that the higher class was trying to blame everything on the king so the lower class would agree. He wrote " they were trying to avoid class conflict." They both thought that the problem was England.But, Bailyn is correct because the DOI has things that benefit all people and only a couple tha had only benefit the rich.
P2 Santiago V & Vanessa V .
Both Zinn's & Bailyin's different because they both have different opinions on the Declaration of Independence. for example Zinn's idea was for upper classes to get educated and for lower classes to join the revolutionary cause but he wanted to avoid class conflict. Bailyin's idea on the other hand was that they wanted to protect religious and civil rights also they though America would play a good role in history. three examples of the Decleration of independence that proves that Zinn's idea was right because it would effect everybody and there will be another war against the lower and the upper class , an example is "it seemed clear to educate the upper class & persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause" , "he has sent swarms of British officers to harass our people and eat our food" , "for cutting off our trade with all parts of the world;". This proves that he is wrong because it effects every class not just the rich and powerful.
P1 Natalie R. & Nick P.
Zinn and Bailyn's ideas are different from each others is that Bailyn was more concerned about the civil rights and religion of the Americans. Zinn worried about going to war or causing class conflict within themselves. Zinn is partly right because then it will cause another war within the higher and lower class which they want to avoid since there is more of the lower class. "Vague enough to avoid class conflict." To conclude, we think Zinn is actually somewhat right. Bailyn on the other hand is also right because it is also to protect our civil rights. he states that the declaration of independence represents "the colonists' deepest fears and beliefs." Bailyn is more right that Zinn. The colonists also believe that England was trying to "enslave them."
VANESSA T. JESUS T. PER.1
bailyn's and zinn's ideas were different because bailyn's ideas were to become an independent together and to become something in history Zinn states that they should persuade the lower class to use their anger against England. Bailyn states that america wanted to become the "Foundation of a great and mighty empire". zinn states that they should persuade the lower class to join if not they would cause a "class conflict" Zinn is wrong because he's using people that don't have anything to loose instead of using people that have things to loose.
Maite S.
Samantha R.
Period 1.
Zinn's idea is different from Bailyn's because Zinn believes that the The Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence to manipulate the lower class. We think Bailyn is right this is because, Bailyn's idea stated that the colonist wanted was to have liberty for all the Americans. He also believed that America was destined to play a special role in history. Also, Bailyn's thesis told us that, "America would become "The Foundation of a Great and mighty Empire". One reason explaining why Zinn is wrong is because he just wanted for the rights for the rich people and not for the poor. He said the colonist wanted to manipulate the lower class to feel people with anger against the British.
Period Priscilla P. Mirian P.
Both of these historians had very convincing claims directing the purpose of the publishing the declaration of independence. Howard Zinn believed that the founding fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence to benefit themselves and
"avoid class conflict."While Bailyn believed that it was written because the founding fathers wanted to state the colonist "deepest fears and beliefs."
Zinn can be proven to be right because indeed the rich people would be affected the most because as stated in the document "imposing taxes on us without our consent" due to their wealth they would be the ones that would be affected the most. Also "refused to let others be elected" meant that the only ones that had the power to vote who to be elected were the rich because they were considered high class. Finally, once "cutting off trade around the world " would only hurt the rich because that where their luxurys came from.
Zinn was right because the rich only wanted to protect themselves.
Per.3
Jonathan C.
Annette C.
Bailyn's idea was that the colonist were afraid to loose their freedom. A quote is "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in america". Zinn's idea was that the upper class tried to manipulate the lower class. A quote is "to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause". they are different because Baylin's idea is that the colonist are afraid to loose there freedom and zinn's is that the upper class want to manipulate the lower class for they can join the revolutionary causes.
Zinn is idea is right because if the lower class joins the revolutionary causes they got nothing to loose because they are not like rich people who have a lot to loose because rich people have more money than the lower class.Rich people manipulate the lower class because they got nothing to loose. the lower class doesn't have more properties that the rich people so they got nothing to loose.
My ideas are that sinn is right because the lower class doesn't have nothing to loose and also the lower class don't own properties or other things that are important to people but rich people do witch are the upper class
Per.3
Jonathan C.
Annette C.
Bailyn's idea was that the colonist were afraid to loose their freedom. A quote is "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in america". Zinn's idea was that the upper class tried to manipulate the lower class. A quote is "to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause". they are different because Baylin's idea is that the colonist are afraid to loose there freedom and zinn's is that the upper class want to manipulate the lower class for they can join the revolutionary causes.
Zinn is idea is right because if the lower class joins the revolutionary causes they got nothing to loose because they are not like rich people who have a lot to loose because rich people have more money than the lower class.Rich people manipulate the lower class because they got nothing to loose. the lower class doesn't have more properties that the rich people so they got nothing to loose.
My ideas are that sinn is right because the lower class doesn't have nothing to loose and also the lower class don't own properties or other things that are important to people but rich people do witch are the upper class
Per.3
Jonathan C.
Annette C.
Bailyn's idea was that the colonist were afraid to loose their freedom. A quote is "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in america". Zinn's idea was that the upper class tried to manipulate the lower class. A quote is "to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause". they are different because Baylin's idea is that the colonist are afraid to loose there freedom and zinn's is that the upper class want to manipulate the lower class for they can join the revolutionary causes.
Zinn is idea is right because if the lower class joins the revolutionary causes they got nothing to loose because they are not like rich people who have a lot to loose because rich people have more money than the lower class.Rich people manipulate the lower class because they got nothing to loose. the lower class doesn't have more properties that the rich people so they got nothing to loose.
My ideas are that sinn is right because the lower class doesn't have nothing to loose and also the lower class don't own properties or other things that are important to people but rich people do witch are the upper class
P.3 Briana Rosas
Bailyn's idea is about the United States of America having liberty and the Great Britain not having any liberty. Bailyn's idea was also about America becoming a better role model than Britain. Zinn's idea was about the rich people trying to avoid a class conflict by turning the poor against the King.
The Declaration of Independence shows that Zinn is wrong because his ideas are only for the rich and powerful. I know this because it says in the Declaration of Independence, "He has started fights among us and has forced us to live near merciless Indian savages". What they mean by "us" are the poor people. Zinn thought that lower class needed to be persuaded to join the revolutionary cause to direct their anger to England "…listing of grievances to fill people with anger against the British…"-. Which makes it affect the colonists only because the rich people were trying to turn the poor against the King and not on them "…vague enough to avoid a class conflict…".
In conclusion I think that Bailyn's ideas are better because his are beneficial for the poor and not the rich.
Jesus G.
Eduardo H.
P.3
Zinn's and Bailyn's idea have many things in common. One thing in common is that both ideas want peace, but in different ways. Another way they are the same is that both ideas want the poor people to be in the same class as the high class but Zinn's idea wants to have the lower class people to fight for their rights. Bailyn's idea wants the whole empire to have liberty and freedom and for everyone to equal rights. Zinn is wrong because if the poor people were to fight back they would mostly die because they have no armor,or weapons.What we think, about who had a better argument was Bailyn's idea because, Zinn wanted to fight back.
Anthony E. Jose E.
- Bailyn's and Zinn's ideas are related because they both want to have freedom from the kings rules.
- "They believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America .
- The D.O.I. shows that people wanted freedom .
P.3 Alberto Acosta,Yanira Soto
Zinn's ideas were different from Bailyn's because Zinn wrote about how the upper class wanted to persuade the lower class to go against the king,they wanted to avoid class conflicts.Bailyn wrote about losing their freedom.We think that Zinn is right because if the lower class people didn't go against the king there would be lots of class conflict between the upper class and the lower class."...upper class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause , to direct their anger against England.""...to fill people with anger against the British,vague enough to avoid class conflict,and stirring enough to build patriotic feelings." Zinn wrote that the Decleration of Independence was about goverment.
Angelina R.
Brittney C.
Period 3 9/11/14
Zinn's ideas can be compared to Bailyns because both Zinn and Bailyn said that the colonists wrote the DOI so the people can have freedom and liberty.Bailyn:"They believed that America was destined to play a special role in history...liberty and freedom." Zinn:"Some Americans were clearly omitted from those united from the DOI: Indians, black slaves, and women. This shows that they wanted the colonists wrote DOI, so the people can have freedom and liberty.
Angelina R.
Brittney C.
Period 3 9/11/14
Zinn's ideas can be compared to Bailyns because both Zinn and Bailyn said that the colonists wrote the DOI so the people can have freedom and liberty.Bailyn:"They believed that America was destined to play a special role in history...liberty and freedom." Zinn:"Some Americans were clearly omitted from those united from the DOI: Indians, black slaves, and women. This shows that they wanted the colonists wrote DOI, so the people can have freedom and liberty.
Angelina R.
Brittney C.
Period 3 9/11/14
Zinn's ideas can be compared to Bailyns because both Zinn and Bailyn said that the colonists wrote the DOI so the people can have freedom and liberty.Bailyn:"They believed that America was destined to play a special role in history...liberty and freedom." Zinn:"Some Americans were clearly omitted from those united from the DOI: Indians, black slaves, and women. This shows that they wanted the colonists wrote DOI, so the people can have freedom and liberty.
Period 3:Karla R. Miranda P.
Zinn's ideas are different than Baylin's because Baylin talks more about American history like about the founding fathers.Zinn talks about avoiding England and rich making peace with the lower class.
Three examples that show Zinn is wrong because most of the Declaration of Independence Grievances prove that most of the statements stated go against what Zinn said. Zinn is also wrong because nothing he says is about the DOI.
We wrote in our answer that Zinn is wrong because he's just saying how the rich wanted the poor to be against th king of England. He's not stating facts about American history.
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no comment .
Per3 Luis G and Joanna G
Zinn's idea and Bailyn's idea are different because Bailyn is focusing on America and Zinn is focusing on the people.The three examples from the declaration of independence shows that Zinn is right because he is trying to explain that the rich people to not want any conflict or problems that will affect them.Zinn is also right because he wanted to give rights to the people.
Jorge M. & Daisy M.pd3
The historians ideas are different because historian #1 [Bailyn] believed that the English wanted to crush liberty in America."They believed they saw an evil deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America."Bailyn's second ideas was that they wanted to become a role model to other countries."America would become the foundation of great and might empire the largest the world ever saw that founded freedom and liberty."This differs from Zinn ideas because Zinn believed that "the upper class" wanted to manipulate the "lower class" the be agaist the king.This doesn't support Zinn because ......
Zinn's ideas are different because Zinn want to play with the rich. Bailyn's wanted to be free from England because they believed that america was designed to play a special role in history. They also believe that america will become the foundation of a great and mighty empire. For example "they believe they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in america."
ZInns is right because he has proved that america would be a great and mighty empire by establishing the Declaration of Independence. The declaration of Independence was successful since it provide freedom and justice for people in different type of classes.
Bliss Ventura francisco aceves
period 3 9/11/14 doi
Octavio.L Ezequiel.L
pd3 9/11/14 DUI
Baliyn's ideas was about that he thought that America would be a safe and freedom country.Zinn ideas was about rich people persuading to go to war with the king.
Zinn is right because he wanted to have a country with freedom and princibles that will give the perfect rights. Zinn ideas were that America will play a big role in history.America will be a country with freedom.
zinn is the right person
Per. 3 Yesica G. & Lupe G.
The ideas of the historians are different because historian number one ( bailyn ) believed the english wanted to crush liberty in america, and the Founding Fathers were afraid to lose their freedom. " They believed that they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy. " This is different from Zinn's idea because -- Zinn is right because as it states one the text, "…to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause to direct their anger against the England " which benefits the rich. This benefits the rich because if the lower class were to go giants the upperclass, the lower class would win because there is more poor people than rich people . --
Per.3
Jonathan C.
Annette C.
Bailyn's idea was that the colonist were afraid to loose their freedom. A quote is "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in america". Zinn's idea was that the upper class tried to manipulate the lower class. A quote is "to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause". they are different because Baylin's idea is that the colonist are afraid to loose there freedom and zinn's is that the upper class want to manipulate the lower class for they can join the revolutionary causes.
Zinn is idea is right because if the lower class joins the revolutionary causes they got nothing to loose because they are not like rich people who have a lot to loose because rich people have more money than the lower class.Rich people manipulate the lower class because they got nothing to loose. the lower class doesn't have more properties that the rich people so they got nothing to loose.
My ideas are that sinn is right because the lower class doesn't have nothing to loose and also the lower class don't own properties or other things that are important to people but rich people do witch are the upper class
Bryan C. Joshua c.
per.3
Bailyn's and Zynn's ideas were similar because they were directing there anger towards England. They're differences were that zinn says that the rich were manipulating the poor but Bailyn believed that the colonist where bieng enslaved by England and that is why they wrote the declaration of independence. We believe that Bailyn is right because he has more evidence. For example, he said "that they saw a evil delibrate conspiracy to crush liberty in America."The second evidence is that
"the colonists wanted to play a special role in history." SORRY DIDN''T FINISH
Stephanie A. Leonor A. Period:3 History
Howard Zinn's ideas about the Declaration of Independence is that they,the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence, wanted them,the colonists,"to join the revolutionary cause." They did this because they wanted their anger to be toward England and the British so the poor and the rich don't fight. The comparison between Zinn's ideas to Bailyn's is that Bailyn's idea believed that America was destined to play a special role in history and Zinn's idea wanted the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence
Stephanie A. Leonor A. Period:3 History
Howard Zinn's ideas about the Declaration of Independence is that they,the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence, wanted them,the colonists,"to join the revolutionary cause." They did this because they wanted their anger to be toward England and the British so the poor and the rich don't fight. The comparison between Zinn's ideas to Bailyn's is that Bailyn's idea believed that America was destined to play a special role in history and Zinn's idea wanted the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence
Rudy Diaz
9-11-14
Period 3
Bailyn had different ideas than Zinn. Zinn thought that the founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence because it "represents the colonists deepest fears and beliefs" and it also represents a role in history. Bailyn had different ideas than Zinn, he thought that the declaration of independence was about popular control of governments, the right of rebellion and revolution, fury at political tyranny, economic burdens, and military attack.
Zinn is right because the DIC represents the fears and beliefs. A second reason he is right is that it represents history. In the text it says "They also believed that america was destined to play a special role in history".
Period 3
Oscar R. &
James C.
Declaration of Independence
The comparison is that they are alike and how they are also different. They are different because Bernard Bailyn said he had saw an evil to crush Liberty and America. For example, in the text it says "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush Liberty in America." In the text #2 they wanted to avoid class conflict. For example, in the text it says "it seem clear to the educated, class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the evolutionary cause, to direct there anger against England." They are alike because they both had a solution and for #2 it was to find language inspiring to all classes.
In conclusion, i think historian interpretation #2 was smarter because they said it seem clear to the educated, class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the evolutionary cause, to direct there anger against anger England
Period 3
Oscar R. &
James C.
Declaration of Independence
The comparison is that they are alike and how they are also different. They are different because Bernard Bailyn said he had saw an evil to crush Liberty and America. For example, in the text it says "they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush Liberty in America." In the text #2 they wanted to avoid class conflict. For example, in the text it says "it seem clear to the educated, class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the evolutionary cause, to direct there anger against England." They are alike because they both had a solution and for #2 it was to find language inspiring to all classes.
In conclusion, i think historian interpretation #2 was smarter because they said it seem clear to the educated, class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the evolutionary cause, to direct there anger against anger England
Zinn thought that the D.O.I was a bad thing since he thought it talked about rebellion and thought it controlled the government. We agree with Baiyln because we think they have the right to be free and enjoy liberty. "The foundation of great and mighty empire , the largest the world ever saw to be founded on such principles of liberty and freedom ." In conclusion, we believe that Zinn was wrong because of what he thought of the Declaration of Independence.
Karen G. and Yonis G.
1. Zinn believed that the Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence because they didn't want conflict between the different classes and colonists to go against the British. Baiyln believes that the Declaration of Independence explains the fears and beliefs of the colonists'.
2. "British, vague enough to avoid class conflict."
"He has sent swarms of British officers to harass our people and eat our food."
"For imposing taxes on us without our consent."
3. In conclusion, what Zinn wanted was that the lower class colonists to go against the British army.
P5 Valery S. Daniel V.
Zinn's idea was that the higher class wanted the lower class to join the the revolutionary cause. Baylin's ideas was that colonists believed that America was going to play a special role in freedom. Baylin also stated that the colonists thought that England would crush their liberty in America. zinn is unreliable because he only involved the higher class effects if the lower class don't join England."He has refused to pass, and forbidden his governments to pass, important and necessary laws." "He sent swarms of British officers to harass our people and eat our food." "He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies, without the consent of our legislatures." These three examples are reliable because they show the effects on the higher and lower class.These examples show the reasoning of why Zinn is wrong.
P5 Angel Rubio & Yenny Rodriguez
Howard Zinn thought that the DOI was written so there wasn't any wars against the lower class and upper class."He said that the upper class had to direct the lower class anger somewhere else."It seemed to be clear to the educated,upper class colonist that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the revolution cause, to direct there anger against England." While Baylen thought that the DOI was written because they thought England was trying to destroy their liberty." They believe they saw an evil and diliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America"Zinn thought that everything in the DOI was about popular, the control of the lower class.
PER.5 KAREN J ANGELICA L
Bernard Bailyn idea was that they saw a deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America. They also believed that America was destined to be in a role in history. Howard Zinn's idea was that the founding fathers wrote the Declaration of independence because they didn't want conflict between the different classes.
Zinn's is right because only the rich and powerful people will only get elected and not the poor.Also he thought that only the rich and powerful had an advantage.also the rich and powerful would be bothered to live near Indian savages.
My partner and I believe the Zinn is right because the founding fathers(Thomas Jefferson)wrote the declaration of independence.
Ashley H. P.5
Zinn's idea about the Declaration of Independence is a lot different compared to Bailyn's idea of the Declaration of independence.
Zinn's idea about the Declaration of Independence is that it was all just for popular control over the government. Proof of this, is in the text it says: "..was about- popular control over the governments.."
He believes that the rich colonists persuaded the lower class to join the revolution. However, the thing was that they wouldn't really have an advantage to winning or not because they don't have the opportunities that the rich have.
Bailyn's idea about the Declaration of Independence was that the Founding Fathers believed they would be an important role in history and that they would be known as a free, liberal, and powerful country. In the text it states: "..destined to play a special role in history..the foundation of a great and mighty empire.."
I believe that Zinn's idea on the Declaration of Independence is wrong because to have a reason on writing the Declaration of Independence is a bit selfish and misuse of power. I believe that Bailyn's idea is correct.
Per. 5 Andy Briseño & Leslie Bojorquez
Howard Zinn's idea to the Founding Fathers writing the Declaration of Independence is that the fathers did not want to cause any class conflict so they intended to send the poor to fight the Britains but in contrast Bailyn believed that colonist saw an evil and deliberate to crush liberty in America.
Three examples to show that Zinn was correct was that the British vague to avoid class conflict. Another reason was that he has refused to establish courts of justice and has made judges dependent on him for their jobs and salaries.
Per.5 Beatrice A.& Delia A.
Zinn's and Bailey's ideas of the DOI the same in a way yet are very different. Zinn's idea was to fill the colonists with rage against Britain "anger against British". Bailey's idea of why the DOI was written was the colonies noticed they were being kept from freedom by the British and that God gave the colonies the power to become a land of freedom and liberty."liberty and freedom""religious""crush liberty" and "Coercive Acts".
Zinn's idea of why the DOI was written was because the founding fathers wanted to fill the colonies with anger towards Great Britain."to build patriotic feelings,""anger against the British,"and"turn against England." In our opinion we suggest that Zinn's idea is wrong because Baily's idea made more sense to us. This made sense to us because they noticed Britain's role was unfair and was keeping them from being free.
per5 Laura.G & Sandra.G
Zinn's idea was that the Americans should not have the rights to have freedom. Bailyn's idea was the opposite of Zinn's idea he thought the Americans should have freedom. Zinn is wrong, because he was with the rich "Avoid class conflict"and, "upper class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause" also, "Fill people with anger against the British, patriotic feelings."
In conclusion Bailyn was right after all, because it is true that everyone deserves to be free.
p5 Alysa Munoz & Heyle Ojeda
Zinn believed that the founding fathers manipulated the lower class into hating the king instead of the upper class,so that they would want America to become independent."It seemed clear to the educated, upper class colonists that something needed to be done to persuade the lower class to join the revolutionary cause, to direct their anger against England." Bailyn believed that they wanted America to be a role model to the rest of the world and that the founding fathers feared something bad would happen to America."The foundation of a great and mighty empire, the largest world ever saw to be founded on such principles of liberty and freedom both civil and religious.""They believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush in America." We believe that Zinn is wrong because the founding fathers didn't do the declaration of independence for selfish reasons, they did it to free America from England because it was a key to a better future. So, we believe Bailyn is right because his ideas of the declaration of independence is better and is more believable.
Hugo S & Hector S
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Zin and Bailyn's ideas are totally different Bailyn believed that the colonist were being minipulated into hating the king and Zin was fighting for the lower classes because the higher class were minipulating the lower class to hate the king and not hate them.
fOR CUTTING OFF OUR TRADE WITH ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD.FOR IMPOSING TAXES ON US WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.HE HAS REFUSED TO PASS AND FORBIDDEN HIS GOVERNOR TO PASS, IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY LAWS. These support zin because they all are all for rich and the powerful. These are examples of what zin said in his interpretation. Believe zin is correct and he was trying to help the lower class.
P5 Yahal R & Nataly R
Zinns idea was that the higher classes were afraid of lower classes. They were being angry on the rich men, so they target the hate on England. Bailyns idea was that they believed that England was trying to enslave America, and to protect themselves by becoming independent. Zinn is wrong because he only deals with the rich people. Three examples from the DOI are that "He has broken up certain legislatures that opposed him and refused to let others be elected." Another example is that "he has sent swarms of britsh officers to harass our people and eat our food." The last example is that " For embossing taxes on us without our consent;"
P5 Stephanie F & Brandon F
Bailyn's ideas was when he wrote the Declaration of Independence they thought that they saw evidence was trying to conquer America by charging colonists more taxes and taking their Liberty.Another idea was they also thought that America would show others to be free.Zinn's idea was when they wrote the Declaration of Independence they wanted the lower class to hate and be against the british so, the fathers manipulated the lower class to avoid a conflict between the rich and poor.
Now were gonna give you three examples that proof Zinn right according to the declaration of independence.One of the reasons why Zinn was right is because the british king imposed taxes without letting the rich know. This affects only the rich because they have more to lose while the poor have so little. The second reason why Zinn was right was because the rich were losing money and power thanks to the british thats why they wanted independence. The rich lost money and power when the british cut off all trade which affected the rich because they made money and power trading.The final reason why Zinn was correct by saying the rich didnt want to lose poweror money was because theBritish king broke all legislatures that opposed him,and who opposed him? yes your right the rich so the king sent those whom opposed him to jail
, they were afraid of the lower clP5 Dennise M. & Angel M.
Bernard Bailyn thought that the declaration of independence was made because the founding fathers believed that they were trying to get rid of America's freedom. Meanwhile, Howard Zinn believed that the founding fathers made the declaration of independence because they were afraid of class conflict. Because, of the classes' anger they targeted the hate on England. One example from the Declaration of Independence that shows Zinn is wrong, is because one quote is "He has passed ,and forbidden his governors to pass important laws." This shows that Zinn is wrong because the laws applied to everyone and not just the rich and powerful.
P5 Fabian C.&Berenice C.
Bernard Bailyn says in the passage that the Declaration of Independence was presented to the king because the colonists believed that they saw an act of "evil" in the king trying to take away their liberty. While on the other hand Howard Zinn said that the Declaration of Independence was written to avoid "class conflict" and for the lower class to go against the king. We think that Zinn is right because the things written on the Declaration of Independence mostly affect the rich instead of the poor. One example is that the trade routes were blocked and the poor didn't really have anything to trade,but the rich did. Another example is the poor didn't have anything to pay for the taxes. The last example is that the king didn't let people get elected for legislature when the poor couldn't and the rich could.
In conclusion, Zinn seems to have more reasons on why the Declaration of Independence was written.
Estefany M. & Viridiana M. P.5
Zinn's idea was that the D.O.I was written to avoid class conflict. While Bailyn thought that the D.O.I was written to show that America was chosen to be a huge civilization of freedom. The evidences is when Zinn states in his interpretation that " To avoid class conflict." " The D.O.I was about popular control over governments, the right of rebellion, and revolution ...". Another example is that " He has kept us among times,in peace standing armies without the constent of our legislatures. This shows that Zinn is correct.
Viridiana Preciado and Stephanie Perez
Howard Zinn believes that the upper class was manipulating the lower class to hate the king instead of them. This way the lower class would not get mad and disagree.On the other hand Bernard Bailyn thought that the declaration of independence was causing fear to the colonist. Colonist believed that America was a role model to the rest of the countries.
We believe that Howard Zinn is correct in his opinion that the upper class is using the lower class. To prove his statement for example, is that the king has imposed taxes on everyone without their consent. Also trade was cut off of all parts of the world affecting both rich and poor but effecting more the poor. Last example would be that swarms of British were sent out to harass the people and eat their food.
We think that Howard Zinn is correct because he is supporting the poor.
p4 Nathan.c & Emely.A
Zinn is a person that goes with rich and wealthy people .
Bailyn is a person who helps poor people .
Zinn wants poor people to be jealous of the rich
Zinn and Bailyn wanted for lower class to be the anger of England.
Zinn has lower class to join the revolutionary cause to direct their anger against the England and to fill people with anger against the British,vague enough enough to avoid the class conflict.
P4 Ryan A & Angie P
Zinn's idea was that the D.O.I was written to avoid class conflict but Bailyn thought the D.O.I was to show that America has been chosen to be a huge civilization. One example is when Zinn says in his interpretation that "To avoid class conflict." "The D.O.I is about popular control over governments, the right of rebellion, and the revolution" Another example is that he has kept us among times, in peace standing armies without the constent of our legislatures. This shows than Zinn is correct.
P4 Tom C & Jerry M
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p4 lucio R & alan S
Zinn goes for people that are rich and powerful and Bailyn goes for all the colonists.Zinn said ''rich people wanted to poor people to be mad at England.''bailyn said ''American saw truth in two act were evil because the acts made taxes.'' Zinn wanted to get the poor people to be mad at England because Zinn believes that powerful people are better then poor. Bailyn believe in all the colonist because bailyn said that England made evil taxes.Bailyn is correct because he is fair to the colonist also because bailyn wonted equal right for the colonist.Also because bailyn did not believe in England because they made evil taxes.
p4 Aylein T & Manuel B
Bailyn wanted to help the poor and the rich.Zinn only wanted to help the rich because they have monry and the poor don't.Bailyn thought that the taxes were evil."conspiracy to crush liberty".The upperclass wanted the lower class to get mad at England instead of them. "Avoid class conflict".
P4 Melanie S & Bracomonte B
The founders wrote the declaration of independence to officially be free from the British and for freedom. The upper class wanted the lower class to join the revolutionary. Zinn had direct anger at England. Bailyn wanted to crush liberty and democracy.
p4 Teresa N. & Abraham Q.
Bailyn believed he saw an conspiracy to destroy liberty in America . His evidence is that " the largest world ever saw to be founded on such principles of liberty and freedom". Zinn main idea was that the upper class wanted the lower class to be anger at England instead of them. Zinn's evidence is that "avoid class conflict. A example that supports Bailyn Declaration is that " He has refused to pass and forbidden his governors to pass, important and necessary laws. Another example for ZInn"s declaration is that "He kept among us , in times of peace standing armies, without the consent of our legislature. Zinn is correct because we have rights to do stuff.
p4 PEDRO C Alberto A
The quote for Zinn is that he said that the powerful people wanted the lower class the be angry at the England's and not them .What he means by this is that he helped the rich to get the colonists to get and at England's and not them .
The quote for Baylin is that on the lower class with out there consent.
I choose baylin helps the poor people because he wanted equal rights for the colonists and why help the rich and powerful if they live a wealthy life .
he said ,he saw evil in the two acts because they made British taxes .
Bailyn broke up certain legislatures that opposed him.Zinn imposed taxes
P4 Leslie O.
Bailyn's idea was that the D.O.I was written to show that the "British conspiracy to crush liberty." Zinn's idea was that the D.O.I was written to "avoid class conflict."Bailyn's idea meant that the British tried to make up a plan to destroy America. Zinn's idea meant that the upper class(rich) wanted the lower class(poor) to get against England instead of the rich people. The
P4 Alex V & Manuel B
Zinn's idea was that it was written to avoid conflict. since Bailyn figured that the D.O.I was written to show that the U.S was chosen to be a huge civilization of freedom. Evidence is when Zinn states in his interpretation that " Avoid class conflict" "D.O.I was about the most popular control over governments, the right of rebellion and revolution "another example is that" he has kept us among times, in peace standing armies without the constent of our legislatures. This shows that Zinn is right
p4 Nydia F & Henry M
Bailyn and Zinn main idea is the principles of liberty and demaracy and conspiracy to crush liberty.
Anson Z per4
Zinn's idea was avoid class conflict. Bailyn was thinking that America was chosen to be a civilization of freedom.
The evidence for Bailyn is "Direct anger with England".
the evidence for Zinn is "to avoid class conflict".
Zinn is correct because he gave us peace.
P4 Kevin M & Eliazar L.
Both Bailyn & Zinn had their different perspectives. Zinn's perspective had a different purpose he wanted to avoid class conflict he wanted the lower class do have anger towards England a.k.a. the British instead of the rich. Bailyn's perspective goes in a different direction he wanted to end democracy he wanted a conspiracy to end. Zinn & Bailyn are both going for agreements to the D.O.I.
P4 Diana S & Karina S
~Zinn goes for people that are rich and powerful. Bailyn goes for the colonist.
~Zinn said'' rich people wanted poor people for them to be mad ''
~Zinn & Bailyn wanted for lower class to be the anger of England .
Bailyn is right because he went to the colonist and zinn went to the people that had power and Bailyn went with all the colanist so B aiyln is right .
HE KEPT IT ALSO AMONG US.
Zinn has
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Lesly E. Anahi M.
why did the founder wrote the decoration of independence?
The main idea of Bailyn was that American would be a role model to England of 'freedom and liberty'. He want to colonies to be like Americans.Zinn idea was that upper-class would put low-classes against England. However, they did it for lower-classes to not have problems with upper-classes.
In conclusion, the historian of Zinn is brillant, he has more important and better i Period 4
Lesly E. Anahi M.
why did the founder wrote the decoration of independence?
The main idea of Bailyn was that American would be a role model to England of 'freedom and liberty'. He want to colonies to be like Americans.Zinn idea was that upper-class would put low-classes against England. However, they did it for lower-classes to not have problems with upper-classes.
In conclusion, the historian of Zinn is brillant, he has more important and better i Period 4
Lesly E. Anahi M.
why did the founder wrote the decoration of independence?
The main idea of Bailyn was that American would be a role model to England of 'freedom and liberty'. He want to colonies to be like Americans.Zinn idea was that upper-class would put low-classes against England. However, they did it for lower-classes to not have problems with upper-classes.
In conclusion, the historian of Zinn is brillant, he has more important and better ideas. Talking about taxes, people not been unfair, and wars (fights).
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Lesly E. Anahi M.
why did the founder wrote the decoration of independence?
The main idea of Bailyn was that American would be a role model to England of 'freedom and liberty'. He want to colonies to be like Americans.Zinn idea was that upper-class would put low-classes against England. However, they did it for lower-classes to not have problems with upper-classes.
In conclusion, the historian of Zinn is brillant, he has more important and better i
p6 Jair S & Elian V
the main idea of bailyn is the british were treating us americans bad and ''they saw the bad events the were happening the stamp of act. The main idea of Zinn is the poor people were getting played and ''the rich wanted to avoid class conflict . The historian i think is correct is bailyn because america became a in depend country because they treating us bad and the book of common sense says that america who ild become a independ country.
P6 Jose B and Yessica C
Bailyn and Howards ideas are different because Bailyn talks about America going to play a special role and the Stamp Act. And Howard only talks about getting England back because they're angry. The main idea of Bailyn in paragraph one explains about how they're planning a something bad. He states "they saw evidence of this conspiracy in the Stamp Act. In paragraph two he said they wanted America to play a special role so the rest of the world would look up to them "America was designed to play a special role". Howard said "direct anger of England" and to "aviod class conflict" which meant the upper class munipulated the lower class to turn against England. Bailyn stated "for depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury" it affects all because everyone could possibly go to jail. Zinn stated "he has broken up certain legislatures that opposed him, and refused to let others be elected" only rich people would be elected because only they could read. I think Bailyn is correct because they would treat people bad and the Stamp Act is an example. Also because America does kind of play a special role now.
P6 Michelle M. and JAVIER M
The Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Indepence because the british were treating them bad and with evil , because the Stamp Act and coercive Acts.
The loyalists supported the king because they thought England had been treating them well/encouraging them
P6 Christopher H & Miguel H
Zinn's idea was that the D.O.I was written by rich people to get American colonists on their side to protect the class conflict.The founding fathers wanted more people on thier side against the English.Bailyn's idea was that the D.O.I was written because they felt like England was trying to enslave them during the Stamp Act and the Coercive.
P6 Tom M & Jerri C
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p6 Catherine A & Julissa A
Zinn's and Bailey's idea about writing the D.O.I. was very different from each other. Zinn's idea of writing the D.O.I. WAS correct because it would help persuade the lower-class to direct their anger at England. Meanwhile, Bailyn's idea was that he and other believed England wasn't providing the fair amount of Liberty and Freedom. For example,"…saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America". One D.O.I quote that supports Zinn's claim is " for cutting off with all the parts of trade in the world." Bailyin's backup is that " He has sent swarms of people to harass our people, eat our food."
Bailyn's correct , because he shows integrity for the needs of all classes; Bailyin focused more to the point. Zinn's excuse for writing the D.O.I was fine, but not specific. It's not well routined to everyones needs.
P6 Helen G. & Jonathan G.
Bailyn and Zinn had different ideas about the DOI. Bailyn's idea was to have freedom and liberty because the british were taking the american's rights,not treating us equally, and were enslaving us. ''The colonists believed that England was trying to enslave them. And they saw evidence of this conspiracy in the Stamp Act.'' Zinn's idea was to use the DOI to protect themselves from the conflict that came from the upper class and the lower class.'' Upper class colonists wanted the lower class to join the revolutionary cause to direct their anger against England.''Bailyn is correct because his reasons are reasonable. They are reasonable because the british were treating the americans badly and Bailyn wanted peace.
P6 Eunice C & Lesly c
Zinn's idea was the D.O.I for the rich colonists and was to protect themselves from the poor colonists and was to avoid class conflict. An example of Zinn's is when he quotes,"To avoid conflict". "The D.O.I was about popular and control the government and the rights of rebellion and revolution…". Bailyn thought that America was chosen to be a big civilization of freedom and liberty and England was trying enslave them during the stamp act and coercive.
P.6 Laura B. & Anallely B.
Bailyn wrote about rights in england & Zinn wrote about convict in england.Bailyn writes about freedom & liberty with america because the british were enslaving the american. Zinn wrote about how the upper-class had to persuade the low-class to hate the british. This is what bailyn got form the Declaration of Independence, "For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world", this means that anyone can trade no matter rich or poor. This is what zinn got form the Declaration of Independence,"for imposing taxes on us without our consent", this means the rich have to pay the taxes & the poor can grow there own stuff.
P6 Axel H & Jesus G
Bailyn's idea of the D.O.I was thinking that the civilization of america was freedom.And zinns idea was written to avoid different class conflict.the declaration of bayilin is to all the colonist and the declaration of sinn is only rich people.I think Byilin is correct because
P6 Miriam J & Manny P.
Balin tells us that the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence because they thought America would become the role models of every country and other country would want to have freedom and liberty.But Zinn tells us that they wrote the Declaration of Independence because rich people wanted the poor people to be against England. The example that supports Balin is that the British sent swarms of British officers to harass our people an eat our food.The example that supports Sin is that the British are waging war against us. Bailin is correct because
P6 Damaris M & Priscila L
Bailyn's idea on why the founders wrote the D.O.I is that they would be the role models of other countries on freedom .Zinn's idea on why the founders wrote the D.O.I is that the higher class was truing to prevent a class conflict that wouldn't benefit the rich. They saw evidence of this believing that americans destined to play a special role in history. ''Vague enough to avoid class conflict.'' ''Anger against England.''We think that Bailyn is correct because america was the first country to stand up and later on influence other countries.
P6 MARTIN R.& ALEJANDRO R.
Bailyn thought that the british people wanted to take their freedom and liberty. The thing that the british government was to give them the stamp act because they said that they wanted money for protecting them. People saw the colonies or the us as a model. King George had given limited freedom. He also sent armies to kill and eat the colonies food. Forced people to pay taxes. He has put war against us. He has also started fights with us. the king had post many taxes without the people concerns. The rich were mad ,because what king George did to them. For example, he didn't pay them if they didn't do what he said. Take all the money from the ship transport. We believe that bailyn is the correct one.
P6 Stephany B. & Gisselle V.
Bailyn wrote the D.O.I. because he believed that people needed independent and freedom. But mainly because the british wanted to crush there independence. The evidence for Bailyn is " He has sent swarms of british officers to harass our people and eat our food." It was important because Bailyn wanted all the people to be equal. Zinn wanted the upper class to be mad at England. The evidence for ZInn is "He has started fights among us and has forced us to live near merciless Indian savages. We think Bailyn is correct because every person is suppose to have freedom and they should be treated all equal.
P6 AYLENE N. & KARYNA P.
Bailyn believed that England was trying to enslave them and they should use ''all power that god has given them'' to protect themselves. The colonist believed this from the conspiracy of the stamp act. The founding fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence because they believed they saw an evil and deliberate conspiracy to crush liberty in America.
P.6 AZIZ I. & Christian S.
Zinn's idea was that the D.O.I. was written by the rich to protect themselves from class conflict between poor colonists and rich colonists .Zinn also believes that the D.O.I. was written to turn the colonists against the British government. Baylin's idea was that D.O.I of independence was written because the government tried to take freedom and liberty. Baylin thinks this because of the stamp act and the coercive acts.We believe Zinn was correct because he focused on how the rich would benefit from the D.O.I .
Professor Bailyn believes that we should take the Founders at their word, that the British were guilty of a "conspiracy to crush liberty." As evidence the Declaration of Independence has a whole list of complaints, or grievences, dealing with taxes, failing to pass necessary laws, and failing to defend Americans against "savage" Native Americans. Bailyn also suggests that American could be a role model for other countries interesting in the "principles of liberty and freedom," although he does not give any evidence from the Declaration to support this.
Professor Zinn sees the grievences in the Declaration very differently. The patriots complain about taxes, which fall more heavily on the rich, such as the tax on imported luxuries such as tea, or the Stamp Tax, taxing business papers, newspapers, and legal documents that would be used mostly by the upper classes.
Clearly, the leaders of the patriots were mostly the rich and powerful. It is logical to assume that they would want to protect their wealth, and their position in society. However, I think that it is interesting that they were willing to risk everything for independence -- if the King had been successful, the patriots would have been hanged, and their families would have have all property and money taken away. So I think that while the Founders might have been thinking about taking care of themselves, they knew that they had to have the support of the lower classes to be successful, and the promises of liberty and freedom meant a lot to all Americans, no matter whether they were poor or wealthy.
PER5 SANDRA G
Melancton Smith thought the constitution did not have many represtives and they should be a true picture of the people.On the other hand Alexander thought they hade to many people ,he said that they did not need so many people to repersent only a bit of people . Melancton thought the goverment would fall into opprestion ,because it would fall in to the hands of the rich and the rich would take away every one else right . Alexandre thought diffrent he though the rich should control the goverment. he also says that the rich would run the goerment better than any one else because they are educated . he also says that the riches behavior is less wicked and sinfull.the types of people that support the federalist are problly rich people who dont care other rights , because they are on the riches side.The people who support the anti-federalist probally are people who care about others rights,because the against the rich taking the right of others . For the first question i use this quote ''if the number of reperestives is small,the position will be to competive.'' and''Why cant someone understand fifty people as he understands twenty people/''
pr. 5 Laura g.
The Anti-Federalists felt the Representations that, the Constitution that if the representatives are small and a true picture of people. The Federalists felt that people dont need as much poeple to reoresent a bit of people.
Melancoton Smith will be govenment with fall. Federalists Alexander Hailton disagrees, because his government thinks there should be pure democracy, because the ancient Greece were characteralize by tyranny and run by mobs.
I think that the Federalists
I believe that bernard bailyn is correct.😉😊😋😉
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